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That's not to say I believe Jesus is the messiah.  See this week's Knit Spirit to find out why, and what I think he might have been.

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  • 1. Christine  |  March 10th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Actually, Matthew has them fleeing to Egypt after Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Also, the way I read it, it is not the Gospel writers claiming that you can’t tend the sick or pick food on the Sabbath, but the Pharisees who were trying very hard to find something against Jesus, perhaps trying too hard? Matthew 12:9– Looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, they asked him, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”

    I agree with you about the internal consistency, and your example of two biographies of the one man. I can’t see, though, the conclusion that Jesus was just a great teacher. (Of course, I *am* Christian, but that said….) I wonder if you have ever heard of the Lord, Liar, or Lunatic “argument” from CS Lewis. As you are someone who doesn’t seem to believe that Jesus was any of those 3, I’d be interested to hear what you think of it. I don’t want to leave a link here in your comments (I don’t know if that’s even allowed) but Googling those three L-words will bring up it’s description.

    Keep knitting!
    C

  • 2. Ivy  |  March 11th, 2009 at 6:31 am

    It’s not that the gospel writers were making the claims concerning Shabbos directly, but they were making the claim that the Pharisees were making the claims concerning Shabbos. Remember, these dialogs were written down decades after the fact. I would challenge anyone, without benefit of any recording media, to recreate a conversation they had 40 years ago. If I had to lay a bet, I’d bet the reported conversations were invented to have something to accuse the Pharisees of having something against Jesus.

    That would be like me writing such a scene:

    “The Internet is evil,” Jesus said.
    “Oh,” Barbara asked. “And why?”
    “Because,” said Jesus, “it keeps people from human contact.”
    Barbara asked, “And cannot people speak to each other faster, and over greater distances with the Internet? And cannot people speak to, and understand, a greater variety of people because of the Internet? What say you to that?”
    Jesus was silent, because he could not disprove her wise argument.

    So I’ve “proven” that Jesus is against the Internet this way, except that this conversation obviously never happened. Similarly the gospel writers proved their point against the Pharisees using an argument that most likely never happened. This is why none of the Pharisees is ever named and they speak in a group like some kind of Greek chorus.

    As to the Lord, Lunatic or Liar argument, I’ll go for none of the above. When did Jesus claim to be a god? When did he ask for prayers be said to him, for an animal be sacrificed to him, or an altar be built to him? He asked to be memorialized “do this in memory of me” but not worshiped “do this in service to me”.

    I think he made a claim of being sent by G-d (he never directly alludes to any miraculous birth). He claims G-d is his father. Okay, G-d is father to all mankind. Jesus makes his stand on that clear by having his followers address G-d as “Our Father”. I think he was a great prophet, sent by G-d to teach and perform miracles, who was later misunderstood.

  • 3. Christine  |  March 11th, 2009 at 11:03 am

    Jesus is not recorded as saying directly, “I am God; worship me.” But he made pretty strong statements:

    * Jesus told the Samaritan woman that he is the Messiah (Jn 4:25-26)
    * Jesus affirmed Peter’s statement that he is the Messiah and Son of God (Mt 16:15-17, Mk 8:29-30, Lk 9:20-21)
    * Jesus told the high priest that he is the Messiah and Son of God (Mk 14:61-62, Mt 26:63-64, Lk 22:70)

    Jesus equated himself with God:

    * Jesus told the Jews, “I and the Father are one.” (Jn 10:24-38)
    * Jesus told the disciples, “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am.” (Jn 13:13)
    * Jesus forgave sins, which only God had the authority to do (Mk 2:5-11, Lk 5:20-24)
    * Jesus said that he had seen Abraham and that he is eternal: “‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!'” (Jn 8:57-58)
    * Jesus said that he had seen God, which no one else could do (Jn 6:46)

    As to the beginning, I think I may have misunderstood you a bit. I understood you to be saying that the Gospel writers were wrong about what they said was acceptable work on the Sabbath; now I think you are saying that the writers were wrong in putting those words in the Pharisees’ mouths. Am I understanding correctly?

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